Occupy Wall Street: the Banks Cost More than Just TARP

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By bgamall

I hope the Occupy Wall Street movement would understand that the TBTF banks cost American taxpayers a lot more than just the cost of TARP. Erin Burnett had embarrassed herself by going to the OWS site claiming that the banks had pretty much paid back TARP. But the scam on her part was that the banks cost Americans a whole lot more than just the 700 billion dollars of TARP.

The banks cost America, jobs, credit, savings returns, housing prices destroyed, cultural dislocation and much more. We are talking about trillions upon trillions of dollars here. We are not talking about a measly 700 billion dollars that Burnett thought she could pass off as the cost of the financial meltdown.

The OWS movement will only stay on task and define itself properly if it realizes that long term clawbacks from the banks should come. Perhaps it is too late to clawback bonuses. It is not too late to claw back with the use of the transaction tax on trading. Certainly Tim Geithner doesn't want the tax. But Euro leaders do. That destroys Geithner's argument that implementing the tax on Wall Street would cause trading to go elsewhere, like Europe. That is always his excuse. And it is pretty clear that the tax would not be that onerous anyway.

OWS needs to realize that Geithner and Paulson are the leading candidates for criminality. Geithner was regulator and president of the private NY Fed. He let Paulson and others pass around billions of dollars of bogus CDO's that crashed. He bears huge responsiblility for the ponzi housing scheme that could not have operated without the securitization of those CDO's. And Paulson was spreading these bonds, clearly now seen as fraudulent, with no penalties at all!

Is it a wonder that when Geithner says America cannot have a tax on trading no one believes a word he says! He had a chance to get a piece of the big banks, not just to pay back TARP, but for all the financial hurt banks caused the American people and he ended up with C and AIG. He left GS and JPM and Wells Fargo alone! Whether there was a law in place at the time or not, a case could have been made for banks bearing the cost of the entire crisis, not just TARP! And TARP was paid back by banks getting easy loans and buying treasuries which proliferated because the banks crashed the economy in the first place.And the buying of the treasuries caused the return to decline for elderly savers.

It is crucial for the United States to seek a long term return from the banks. This return could come in the form of a permanent cap on speculation, and through a tax on the speculation that is allowed. The OWS should seek politicians willing to take on the banks in this fashion. The casino is still a threat to world prosperity, and a permanent tribute to king taxpayer is in order.

The NWO wants a vat tax. That taxes the real economy. No, that won't do. If I sell an ebook in Europe the vat tax is pretty substantial. But there should be a vat-like tax on the banks. You banks want to churn contracts up on all we pay for goods? Well, pay a stiff tax for that churn.

Geithner was central to the shadow unregulated banking system having free reign. For that Fox News has always been nice to Timmy. The OWS needs to track inconsistencies like that. Pay attention to the news, carefully, and see what the motive is for people acting the way that they do. It can tip one to the new trends in financial trickery. If a bright light is shown on the banks, it is harder for the cockroaches to scurry around creating new financial instruments of destruction. That should be the legacy of the OWS. There should always be OWS-like watchdog folks keeping an eye on the banks.

However the OWS movement ends, or whatever future path it takes, exposing the plans of the banks should be a top priority, and also exposing the language of the bankers as they seek to put the public to sleep is also worth monitoring.

Occupy Wall Street Must Avoid Libertarianism

While I agree with the analysis of Ron Paul and Karl Denninger, I don't agree with their libertarian solutions, regarding cutting budgets massively. I agree with them regarding prosecutions. I would like to see the OWS force the banks to give back money to the treasury. But I am against the concept of some in the Tea Party when they say we cannot help the unemployed or that social security should be killed and medicare should be killed or that no jobs programs should be created. That is libertarianism, and should not be a part of the OWS movement at all!

The Tea Party was against bailouts, but bank runs have to be bailed out, but with the government taking an interest in the bailed out banks. And then the banks need to be regulated to stop speculation rather than be unregulated as the libertarians want. Something to consider, OWS!

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vrajavala profile image

vrajavala 7 months ago

the economic collapse is due to two things that happened during two Democratic administrations:

1.) The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 (Jimmy Carter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestmen

this act opened mortgages to risky buyers (NINJA) no money, no job, etc)

2. the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act which had kept banks out of the investment business. Senators Phil Graham, Schumer, Dodd. The latter two made sure that banks would have to comply with the CRA.

During Bill Clinton's admin, the Attorney Gen forced the banks to make these mortgages. Obama was at that time teaching ACORN tactics to force banks to make these loans.

Russel Simmons should be ashamed of himself. He is a poverty pimp, who owns prepaid credit card companies that charge unethical rates.

http://atlantapost.com/2011/06/20/russell-simmons-

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vrajavala 7 months ago

BTW, you might want to read this article, http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/10/14/occupy-wa

to see if Herman Cain might have been right in calling OWS anti-American.

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bgamall Hub Author 7 months ago

VR, I am sorry but only about 24 percent of the subprime loans were due to the community reinvestment act. I realize Fox News won't ever tell you that but you probably should not show your lack of study here. I am sorry buddy but the CRA didn't even have anything to do with the California loans either because the median house price was over 500k and the conforming loan limit at the time was 417k. I am sorry to sound rude but I am sick of people just parroting Fox News.

And we find out today that Hermain Cain is being funded by the Koch Brothers who never saw a transfer of wealth from the 99 percent to themselves that they didn't like.

Go study, buddy.

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amillar Level 5 Commenter 7 months ago

Gary I'm trying to buy your book, Ponzi Housing Scheme 21st Century, but I'm diverted to Amazon UK. I thought I'd better check that you'll get your cut this way.

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bgamall Hub Author 7 months ago

If you are in the UK you will have to buy it there. That is ok as it is my book. I just want people to read it and am not concerned about the commission from the affiliate program. Thanks. Be sure to read the chart in the back carefully if you do buy it Miller.

Lady_E profile image

Lady_E Level 7 Commenter 7 months ago

Interesting read - I have been following the Wall Street Movement a bit on telly. Hope it achieves something positive.

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bgamall Hub Author 7 months ago

We are all hoping Lady for some success against the speculators.

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TheMoneyGuy Level 1 Commenter 7 months ago

bgamall,

Like my comment got out of control so I wrote a Hub!

http://themoneyguy.hubpages.com/hub/Occupy-Wall-St

TMG

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bgamall Hub Author 7 months ago

Lol Moneyguy.

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Hello, hello, 7 months ago

It was Reagan and Thatcher who de-regulated the banks and ever since we have that mess. Gosh that Tea Party is the last thing on earth. Brilliant hub. Thank you.

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bgamall Hub Author 7 months ago

Thanks, Hello. Yes, I often wonder if Reagan would have been repulsed by the actions of the banks against the people had he been alive to see the housing bubble?

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 7 months ago

I was incensed at the time by the bailouts of "TBTF" Banks. I do not believe there is such a thing. If things had been allowed to run a natural course, it would have been worse at first but not prolonged as it is now. We must not do away with moral hazard no matter who it is.

I think the Federal Reserve is a huge part of our financial problems and should be eliminated.

It may be true that the CRA only affected 24 percent of subprime mortgages but that is surely enough uncreditworthy buyers to create enough false demand to drive housing prices out of reality1and be a catalyst for the bubble that ensued.

The biggest difference between the Tea Party participants and the Occupy Wall Street is that the former blames government and the latter blames corporations. In the case of the latter it is ironic to me that they held a moment of silence for Steve Jobs, owner of a humungous corporation who died with six billion dollars in the bank, and most of them have I-phones et al. Perhaps they are only against corporations that make products they do not use.

But a huge difference I see in the two groups is that the Tea Party participants by a vast majority express their love of America, their love of God, their belief in Free Enterprise (which has created nearly all wealth in the world), and they are clean, orderly, and totally non-violent. The Occupy Wall Street participants are the opposite, for the most part, with a strong dose of Karl Marx thrown in.

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bgamall Hub Author 7 months ago

Well James, here is the deal. The international banking cartel has more power than the sovereign governments.

I have come to believe that the run on the banks had to be stopped, but that any bailouts would have to come with the tax long term on the banks. Our government was not inclined to tax the banks. That is too bad.

There should be a bank for the government, but it should be a nationalized bank. But again, until the government gets more powerful than the international banking cartel, it won't do much good.

It is right to blame corporations, mainly in the financial services as they are the originators of toxic lending through Basel 2.

Marx was a great analyst and so is Ron Paul. Both of their solutions are worthless. But Marx did say that the capitalists would make the poor pay for the rich mistakes. And Ron Paul wants to do exactly that.

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WD Curry 111 Level 8 Commenter 3 months ago

This popped up on a hub I wrote. I am impressed with your grasp of the situation. It isn't hard to pay back TARP money when the FDIC and Timothy Franz Geithner close regional banks, and the SEC wipes them from the board. Now the stock is worthless. Stockholders have lost billions in cash and assets that have been handed to favored TARP recipients for the price of the paperwork. Geithner is playing Pac Man with regional and community banks in order to centralize the banking industry.

Deutsche Bank is advising the FDIC (Wall Street Journal) in these “transactions”.

American “Banks” were not the problem, financial institutions like Citigroup, etc. were. They owned banks because of deregulation. Let them fail. You can’t stop a volcano by sacrificing virgins to it. Keep pounding the drum, brother.

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bgamall Hub Author 3 months ago

I believe these TBTF banks should be wound down, not allowed to fail. I would not mind them failing, except they have wrapped themselves with trillions of dollars of derivatives, and they cannot fail. We need to be winding them down one at a time now, but we aren't. They are zombies now.

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